Join Faith SDA Church in another discussion of Race and Faith on the 3rd of March 2018 at 4:00.
Sorry for the poor recording.
Race in Christianity
The Myth of Race
Join Faith SDA Church in another discussion of Race and Faith on the 3rd of March 2018 at 4:00.
Sorry for the poor recording.
Race in Christianity
The Myth of Race
As brothers and sisters in Christ, I agree, family issues should be settled at home and not out in the streets.
Imagine a court of law. There is a judge and sometimes a jury. (a lot of the below references are from the second edition of the Common Law Process of Torts published by Lexis Nexis). In a trial before both judge and jury, issues of law (issues concerning what the law permits or requires) are decided by a judge, while issues of fact (issues concerning what happened in the events on which the suit is based) are considered by the jury.
Most can agree that the judge should be impartial, having no stake in the outcome of the suit. If the judge has a personal stake, there is danger that the proceedings would be conducted in favor of one of the parties. The judge should, therefore, disqualify him/herself. If this does not happen lawyers are entitled to move for disqualification. To do this the lawyer must make a compelling case that the judge has or appears to have a personal interest in the outcome.
Similar to the court of law, church issues may be handled by the board (jury?) under its responsibility for spiritual nurture, and its chairman (judge?) a pastor or if otherwise not able an elder. There is not much procedural detail on the matter. The manual does not explicitly allow for the disqualification of a chairman for reasons of “personal interest”. There should be such a provision at least in the church operational procedures to promote fairness or the appearance of it.
In a civil suit, each party (plaintiff and defendant) presents her case in a manner to impress judge and jury of the strength of her position. Even in mediation both sides are heard. Apologies cannot be said before one know’s what he apologizing for. A matter should not be called for a vote without the affected party answering for herself.
Furthermore, there should be standard procedures for reconciliation and mediation since it is a common issue for churches. The mediator should be unbiased and allow a chance for both sides to heard. After both sides are heard, the mediator should seek middle ground and suggest ways for both parties to commit to moving forward. The two parties agree to a plan and move forward.
What happens if there is still disagreement?
Matthew 18 :(15-18) requires that the offence be spoken between the affected parties alone. If this doesn’t work try again with a few more persons to be witnesses. If he still refuses to listen, tell it to the church. If still, then he will be as a heathen or a publican. Pretty clear.
What model do we use, however, if church powers are abused?
maybe Martin Luther’s experience may shed some light.
Central has always had a band. This month, December, marks two years since the volunteer musicians decided not to play. The events I am about to describe marks a series of disrespect and deception from the leaders of the church. The purpose of this letter is not sow discord but to enlighten the reader on the events that took place. I can only speak from my own experience.
The Last Straw
On December 5, 2015, during a segment of the worship service, there was lull as the members on stage figured out who or what was next. My wife, the church pianist, filled the lull with some soft music to not highlight the disorder on stage. The First Elder, also on stage, decided he did not want music and instead of signalling to end the music, without tact, he chose to go to microphone and scold her. Without fuss, my wife silently left the piano and slips out the door behind the band and stage and heads to the car. I pack up my instrument to meet my wife outside as the lull continues for at least a minute. We went straight home.
My wife received calls from the other band members requesting we meet that afternoon/evening at one of the band members sister’s place that was near the church. We discussed our grievances and the fact that the pastor perpetually ignores our requests to meet. Most agreed we would sit out until we are able to get a productive audience with the pastor and his wife.
Pastor J comes to Central
Upon his arrival, Pastor J made a few announcements that caused great concern for the band. One of the first announcements that affected the band was the announcement that there was no band. Though Central always had an ensemble of musicians, in his eyes, the band was not official, therefore, the church had no band. Pastor believed that to be official, the church board has to select the members and have exclusive control over his/her ability to play. The instruments were to be dedicated. If you had a wedding to perform at you must gain church board approval to be able to play your instrument at such an event. This had frustrated the band. I suggested if the church had bought the instrument we would understand such a restriction. However it was impractical and unethical to restrict our personal instruments. We take pride in maintaining our personal instruments and the church had no interest in investing in similar quality equipment we brought to worship. At the time, We had no idea that these ideas were coming directly from his wife.
Mrs. J is considered to be skilled among the musicians. She can read music and play by ear. Her arrival with the pastor was thought of as a blessing for the music ministry of the church. The band found out the hard way. She became a menace.
She prefers to play with only the best. She would request herself turned all the way up in her mix so that she doesn’t have to hear the other musicians. She would use the praise team leader at times as her mouthpiece to speak with or correct members of the band. She would show up and play when she wants or when the praise team leader requested, without a heads up, while the scheduled pianist takes a back seat. On the pianist schedule, she first requested not to be on it since she was not a member of the local church. Then her excuse became, she was unsure her husband’s schedule. When the pastor asked why she was not playing. she complained she was not on the schedule. She did nothing to help build the band.
It was even said that she scheduled alternate practices so that band members “who did not practice would not be able to play”.
None of the above affected me directly. One time there was a special service that the “pastor” requested piano, bass, and drums. The trombone man didn’t notice this and showed up. I was signaled to let the trombonist know. He said, “OK.” He understood but will leave at the next break so as to not make a scene. No issues there. Mrs. J seeing him still there gets up from the piano calls him to the back and tells him about himself. After finding out what happened I vowed, I will never play with Mrs. J again.
Another island-wide crusade event was on the horizon with many musician teams and I was asked who do I want to play with. I said anyone except Mrs. J. So I was placed with Mrs D. After a week of the event we were told that only one team will play: the one with Mrs. J. was apparently chosen. This surprised most of us, because among the teams, she was not the most talented keyboardist, did not fit the style of the singing preacher, nor was able to find the key the quickest. But it was not a big deal; that’s what the singing preacher wants. We later found out from the singing preacher that it was not the truth.
Twice, I said I was not going to play with her and I turned back months later, rationalizing that I am doing the same thing that she is by not wanting to play with specific persons.
In 2014, I was selected to be the bandleader. I made my wishes clear: All the members of the band were not to do an audition but were to be members of the band. Also the music for the next week were to be given to me at a minimum of a week prior in order to prepare the band. At first it sounded feasible . The pastor later said that this was not doable; It was not under his control. I tried the music director. I even suggested to give them the music…
Week passed after week and no music. Just last minute praise team practice the night before like always and that’s it. I decided that if they just give me the music the last day then they are effectively telling me that they are not willing to give me what I need to be successful. So I decided if it is status quo they wanted then we will just show up and perform. I decided not to go to praise and worship practice since they selected the songs then and there giving no extra time for the band to perfect it. Note: the praise and worship leader was the music director.
I already was very busy at work and didn’t have time to waste, so I took a back seat. I was not the band director. I was the bass man. I became the band director only when I had music ahead of time.
I continually asked the Pastor to meet with the band to address some of the issues regarding his wife. There were a few meetings that the Pastor called were spread far between each other. There was a meeting that was scheduled on Veterans day that not much people could attend (funny that only the military Veterans and family members in the band attended that day…). I accept the blame on this one, I was not able to contact most of the band members in good enough time.
There was a much larger meeting in which the issue was presented as that members of the band were not speaking with each other. By presenting it this way, it was lost on the non-band-members that this referred to Mrs. J.
Fast Forward: In August 2015, Mrs J transfers her membership along with her husband (pastors do not need to transfer membership…) and becomes the Music Coordinator.
Fast Forward: The following week after the final straw. Except for my wife and me (off-island), the band members went to church and sat in the pews. A visiting pianist, and cousin of a band-member decides to play to fill the gap. Her cousin, instructs her not to play. Onlookers blew this out of proportion, I am told. This is told to the Pastor who is off island.
An emergency church board meeting is held to figure out what is going on. The pastor schedules a meeting with the band. The pastor decides to meet with us individually, and turns words of each band-member against each other in order to find out more information. We contacted each other to find the meaning of the confusion. I called the pastor and confronted him about blatant lies he had told on me.
There is now a letter from the church board, written in the pastor’s tongue, hand delivered to the members of the band. Imagine that, two emergency meetings in such a short period of time! However, the band members are at none. The pastor later tells us that the board cancelled his meeting with us. The “church board” letter dated 20 December, condemns our ” inappropriate actions taken that caused a disruption of the worship service.” It states that the future church board will deal with the matter. We are confused. To sit out of the Choir because of issues is noble. to sit out of the band is not. Through Pastor J., We replied to the “board” on 22, December to explain to us the issues we found in the letter and to give us a forum to hear our grievances.We also requested a neutral Pastor head the meeting. But the “board” never heard us out or responded.
That weekend before the letter we met the First Elder in the Super Market. He said he didn’t know he offended my wife. He added, “if ” he did anything he was sorry. (Not “Sorry for offending you, that was not my intent.”) He was not willing to accept responsibility. To be sure, I requested since the act was done publicly, the apology should be done publicly. He laughed and said he is not going to do that. I repeated my request and he said no and walked away. Respect Lost.
I was not sure if it was cowardice on his part, But I knew for sure his half apology was not be sincere.
In January of 2016 the new Church board agreed to “hear us out” but we knew better. Still we opted to give them a chance. When we attended the meeting the First Elder was the chair. When we would make a request to the chairperson, he would look to the pastor (who was in the room) as if for permission. Some times the pastor would blatantly take the chair from the First Elder. We found out the boards, old or new, had not seen our correspondence with the Pastor(church board). The board (the chair) refused to hear us out because of the presence of a band member. We appealed to the board. A Board member made a movement to vote on it and it went forward and almost had a majority. The pastor stepped in and requested prayer. We knew we were not going to be heard today. After a few more attempts we left the meeting.
We appealed to the higher church; The Conference committee heard our complaints individually and complimented on our professionalism. They were led to expect that we were contentious barbarians. The committee made a recommendation for the church to solve this and quickly.
Months later, we were told that The Committee was told that it had been solved. But we never got the memo.
How hard is it to do a sincere apology and to set things right among brethren. (especially Christians).
(This is my experience and by no means the whole story.)
Imagine you are in a new marriage with a spouse who already has children and had been married before. Your spouse tells you that there is a running tradition in the family in which there is a large celebration in the middle of the Summer where family and friends and the entire neighbor hood comes together to celebrate your birthday! A little different, since your birthday is in February…but maybe it is more convenient for everyone else. Coming closer to the celebration you find out that the day they are celebrating is of the previous spouse – Who not only is still alive but will be attending!
Many Christians know that Christmas time is not the real birthday of Christ and that the celebration at such a time was reserved for the winter solstice feasts , such as Yule, Koleda, and Saturnalia festivals.
When Christianity became popular in Rome, in order to make it an acceptable religion of the state, they began to make compromises to please the worshipers of the former religion. Throughout the years statues of roman gods became statues of Peter and Paul simply by changing the names. The same happened with the holidays.
Most people see nothing wrong with this since they themselves are not worshiping the pagan “dieties.” What would you think if you were being “celebrated” on the birthday of your new spouse’s ex? What do think our jealous God feels in light that the ex is the enemy. But we continue for the sake of tradition even though we know better.
But what should we do?
I recommend stripping away the tradition and spending the free time getting closer with God.
On December 6, U.S. President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israeli Capitol. What does this mean for the U.S., Israel, Palestine and the Arab world?
For one, many believe this is a forfeit of the United States’ ability to be the unbiased referee in relations between Palestine and Israel. On one hand, Palestine feels insulted. On the other, however, Israel is already looking to other nation-candidates to line up behind the USA.
This should be no surprise to most. In his campaign, President Trump promised to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is one of the key issues in the Israeli – Palestinian peace process. Both want her as their capitol. In 1947, Jerusalem was to be established, under UN General Assembly resolution 181 , a corpus separatum (a separate body), its own international city. (under UN control) this was in order to preserve the importance of Jerusalem and its association with 3 world religions. on Good Friday 1949 the Vatican expressed its favor of Jerusalem as an interational city (under UN control or a related organization) in the Redemptoris nostri cruciatus.
Currently in Jerusalem a little less than two thirds of the residents are Jewish. and a little over a third is Arab. Israel declared the entire Jerusalem as its capitol- (and still considers this). Years later the US Congress n 1995 announced that it will be relocating its embassy to Jerusalem, but it has been postponed by US presidents since then.
Trump is ending the postponing . Israel loves this; Palestine not so much. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has looked to other world leaders such as Russia and Jordan to help change Trump’s mind.
Religiously, Israel in the hands of the West is already an abomination. At least, according to the Muslim world (especially the radical /extremist side). At the very least, they reject Isreali sovereignty in east Jerusalem. The forecast for the future is cloudy as we see what major world actors do next.
Who will own Jerusalem, Israel? Will it be shared with Palestine? On the other hand, wahat will Jerusalem as a separate entity look like for us? Will it look like the UN, or maybe D.C., or would it look like the Vatican?
During my time in the National Guard, I had a peeve in the area of discipline. In the military, the non-commissioned officer (NCO) was responsible for “corrective training”; the commissioned officer for punishment. Drill sergeants for example were really good at finding creative ways to encourage soldiers. However in the Guard , frequently you would hear from the NCO’s mouth, “I am going to take your pay”.
Normally (and legally), an NCO cannot take someone’s pay. The only person(s) within a soldier’s chain of command with the authority take one’s pay is a commander of some sort. As an officer, and especially as commander, this always struck a nerve. While I understand that the lack of a Code of Military Justice limits a leader’s ability to ensure effective discipline, this demonstrates a lack of imagination on the part of the NCO.
The statement would relieve the NCO of responsibility and put the job of correction on his superior. If the soldier is late. “Take his pay.” If the soldier forgot to bring his helmet. “Take his pay.” If the soldier assaults someone. “Take his pay.”
I believe the punishment should fit the crime. And before we get to the hammer we should take a step to try to correct the action.
In the Church, I see the same thing. The rush to disfellowship is horrifying. Excommunicating young mothers, instead of nurturing them. What about the sperm donors, have we found them? It shows that we do not understand what it is. Disfellowship should not be the first step in discipline but the last. And only if the member chooses not to turn from sin. In my reading of EGW writings, I understand disfellowship as I mentioned above. Disfellowship is not discipline; it is Death.
I would recommend empowering the elders of the church as well in areas such as these. I truly believe the elders are underutilized and there is little accountability. But that’s another topic.
I am happy to get our first post out before the day ends. (It was originally posted on the on Reformation Day) I intend to cover the worldwide and local events as they affect the Christian. I disclaim an endorsement from any religious institution. These are my beliefs and thoughts.
As the Anniversary of Protestantism winds to a close, we would like to encourage the Christian to keep his/her eyes open (Matt 24:4)
Today the Catholic and Lutheran leaders issued a joint statement begging forgiveness for “wounding” the Church as they progress toward unity. They continued to use this language as they long for this “wound” to be healed (But we know that the wound will would be healed; Rev 13:3).
John 17:21 was quoted, advocating that this is the same unity that Christ prayed for. But let us not sacrifice truth for harmony. Jesus prays for “sanctify them through thy truth”. (17:17) before he prayed for unity. Otherwise we advocate for an contaminated union. How can we expect God to become one with an unsanctified body?
Let us keep vigilant and let’s keep our eyes open.